[MTBB] Hanamonogatari (BD 1080p)

godspeed king

pog

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Adding my second to @ol25n -

Short How-To on the process https://www.movavi.io/motion-tracking/ (sadly a bit above my level)

Thank you MotBob for the update - hope your to-do list draws a ton of help…enough to bring the odds to 100%.

Another day with herkz’s commentary

FIST FIGHT, FIST FIGHT, FIST FIGHT

@done4fun

Anime motion tracking is usually done with mocha, so what are you getting at?

Nah just release tsuki with worse typesetting, easy

Owari 2 soon.

Pretty based MTBB. Honestly you should give priority to Bake, Koyomi, and Owari II since they’re the most inconsistent due to the various release there are of them. Good luck mate.

red

Based

MTBB saving anime, you love to see it

Heck, it’s the song stylings from Nise that make me cry, not the TS.

Honestly, you really don’t have a great track record with song styling afaict. Both of the recent releases I’ve seen from you (Mushoku and Nise ep 8, assuming that was you) were really lackluster.

Why not “[MTBB-Commie] Monogatari” instead?

Because it would create an inconsistency with the tags.

MTBB + Commie collab for maximum result?

If people use my subs for something, that’s great, but I would very much prefer that they not use the tag MTBB for it. A tag assigns credit, but it also assigns blame. The tag indicates who’s ultimately responsible for any mistakes. So me not using Commie is basically a Golden Rule thing.

Pretty sure they asked you to team up. (at least giosann did)

I’ll catch this in my next life. Godspeed @motbob.

why is this marked red? there is quite a bit of precedent on nyaa that just slapping subs on a different raw doesn’t need to be marked as a remake.

Either you’re seriously confused about something, or I am. I’m not sure giosann is a representative of Commie.

Nah, I’m saying they’re asking why don’t you guys work together or something.

Shrug. I don’t have a problem with my Mushoku stylings.

I mean, that’s probably because it’s basically non-existent. Lato is pretty cringe, and even the color choices were off. I think the only part I somewhat liked was the gbc’d text during the scene with the flowers in the background but even that could’ve been better implemented.

The Nise stylings were just Commie, unedited. Which I guess means we both think they were bad.

That explains why I was getting 2012 vibes from it.

But tbh, if song styling was your biggest issue with Nise, you should really consider getting a dedicated song styler for it instead of trying it yourself and ending up with something which is barely an upgrade (or maybe not even an upgrade) from commie.

torn?

I need dark_sage to review [MTBB] Mushoku Tensei now.

Having not watched a single episode of the entire Monogatari saga (I also haven’t seen any JoJo…)[Yeah, yeah, burn the heretic!]

That’s quite the concept, bringing consistency to the subs of a 12+ year franchise.
It’s very much a Grail Quest, and I wish you well on your journey.

I need dark_sage to review [MTBB] Mushoku Tensei now.

I second this

I never mentioned the OP, it was the ED I was referring to. That’s why I mentioned Lato (it’s the font you used for the ED, in case you’ve forgotten). The OP was fine except for some scenes which were less readable because you used the same font color as the background.

spicy comment section tho

Totally agree with bob here. Excessive song styling just distracts from the video. Simple is besto. I’d even go as far as to say that OP/EDs shouldn’t have romajni or kanji just the English TL.

Thanks a lot for doing this bob, this amazing series really deserves this love. Would be great if you could use Kawaiika for the rest of the series and Beatrice for Bake(since it was encoded by DeadNews from Kawaiika anyway).

Complex song styling can look good. Issue is that most people who do those suck at designing them in such a way that isn’t too annoying to look at or just plain ugly (looking at those old fansubs especially, where you had ugly energy balls floating around randomly, or entirely green backdrops that stuck out like a sore thumb…)

I’m right with you, simple is best. But too simple is also often rather boring, especially when the OP/ED in question has interesting visuals itself, so I think it’s a balancing game of making it match the OP/ED in question without also distracting heavily from it (which is where a lot of older styling fail imo. People thought the new hip AFX fx were cool and abused them).

Song styling ought to be additive, like it was there all along. It’ll always be distracting by virtue of being subtitles, a foreign element, but I still think it’s best if it feel like it was originally part of it/planned alongside it, or just generally complements it well imo. Although I’m not trying to take away that even relatively simple styling can sometimes be more than perfectly fine, so long as the base design is strong enough.

I personally go the boring route and try to match to the credits/song theme if I don’t have any other good ideas. I say this like I’ve worked on 9000 different shows lol

Simple is great (should be obvious from my username), but as a guy who also likes typesetting, it would be sad to see karaoke effects such as this disappear. I’d rate this pretty high up on the distraction scale, though, but 10/10 on the fun scale.

Though if we’re being honest, not much is happening in this OP to really consider it a distraction.

P.S. That Beastars op is :ok_hand:

Beastars OP was mind numbingly good. Respect to PAS. I now need to watch more shit they have done.

A good example of simple but great song styling would be Kaizoku’s OP styling for Jujutsu Kaisen. I don’t have a video or would have linked one.

@motbob I really hope you switch to Beatrice video for Bake(for the batch). Since you’re already putting so much work into it and it will only take some random remuxer to slap your subs on Beatrice to make the definitive release.

Since you’re putting so much work might as well make the definitive release ;)

Thanks Vik, I had a lot of fun doing that song styling. :)

@LightArrowsEXE lmao, your latest comment goes very well with your avatar.

@LightArrowsEXE good stuff. I now have a lot more confidence that you can pull off good song styling in IDOLM@STER(it should be a good release as long as your editing doesn’t go overboard hopefully).

@motbob Yes Jensen was also involved with encode. I see you already compared. Haven’t checked out mawen yet, probably should. The size seems to be quite small though.

Can already tell ya you’re not gonna like it, especially for the inherently memey characters (like Ami and Mami). /shrug. Sorry man, but I don’t think my style is ever gonna fit your tastes, unfortunately (also surprised you knew I was working on that lol). UTW unfortunately also isn’t particularly great. Had to fix like 3 mistranslations in Ep1 alone, so yea

I don’t honestly have a definitive taste or anything like that, just wasn’t a huge fan of your editing in HF. I thought the editing was a bit too liberal at times. I know its okay to be liberal than literal at times to convey the context/meaning properly, but it felt like everything was deliberately being edited just for the sake of being different. I can look past that though since its not too big of a deal.

Whats hard to look past was the partial honorifics. Would have much preferred if there was no honorifics at all, but if you were gonna keep them might as well have kept them all. Seeing Illya’s “oni-chan” as “mister” but then Sakura’s “senpai” as it is, was really immersion breaking tbh.

Gonna quote herkz here.

you hear lots of japanese that you seem perfectly fine with being replaced with english. honorifics aren’t special.

I didn’t have any problems with your Kimetsu subs, my only issue was with the encode which had haloing and other issues. But that doesn’t really matter now since SCY and Kawaiika already did their release.

Obviously you can do whatever you want and you’re not gonna change how you go around doing stuff for my sake lol. Doesn’t mean I can’t complain or give my opinions.

Yeah, I generally prefer full translations myself. Fate is a bit of an exception purely due to the styleguide being grandfathered in from our Babylonia release (where our TL pushed for partial honorific preservation). The reasoning behind it was that there’s a lot of different characters with different ethnicities, places of origin, and as a result, many different speech patterns, which she wanted to highlight in the TL (as the FGO NA loc also does). I personally thought that was fine, even with my own preferences, but as a result it also gets kiinnnndaaa obnoxious in Fate entries that feature almost entirely Japanese characters. But hey, as much as I hate it, I’d rather push for consistency (although I am considering just making alt tracks from now on for that if we ever get around to finishing and batching up Babylonia).

Concerning Yaiba, that was an older encode and also a show I cared very little for, so I didn’t want to spend a significant amount of time working on it. vs-placebo also just came out while I was working on it, so I wanted to try it out with FSRCNNX (which you could now run through that), and thought the results were overall pretty good, except for some occasional haloing. Turns out I was incredibly unlucky and almost every scene I checked featured very little additional haloing xd. That’s my excuse, anyway. Also while I agree that SCY’s encode is the best, I don’t really agree with Kawaiika being better than mine, honestly. He may have less ringing, but he also has significantly blurrier lineart, way more banding, and very starved noise. Kinda uncharacteristic of him, honestly. Makes me wonder if he also got forced into working on it and didn’t really care much, like me.

Welp all I can say is I wish Sei never pushed for that partial honorifics thing. If you can ever get dubstepKazoo to work on it and finish Babylonia hopefully you can implement the alt track.

Same for HF v2. Many of the lines are a clear improvement over Aniplex. If only you could get rid of the honorifics…because partial honorifics there was a meme tbh. Also I can understand if you want to be consistent between the Fate/Zero and Fate/stay night since they are connected but F/GO has literally nothing to do with the mainline series.

Either way, you do what you feel best I guess. Best of luck.

P.S. sorry motbob for cluttering your comment section…

It’s fine, we can break it if we try!

the record for red torrents is only 135! all mtbb has to do is still his next monogatari release until we hit it, which means it’s basically all but guaranteed

Let’s just start counting from 65, surely we can break it like that.

69

Oh shit the burn from motbob. Commeme staff coming out of the woodwork to defend what’s left of their pride

Thanks Motbob. Eagerly waiting Jobless Reincarnation part 2

I think it’s a balancing game of making it match the OP/ED in question without also distracting heavily from it (which is where a lot of older styling fail imo)

Big agree. You don’t want to suck all the attention away from the visuals, but at the same time, too boring is just… boring. If you can make an effect that matches some theme used in the visuals, or that blends in nicely some other way, it can really enhance the experience.

I’d even go as far as to say that OP/EDs shouldn’t have romajni or kanji just the English TL.

I disagree, with romaji at least. I don’t have much of an opinion on kanji (if you can find the space to fit it in without covering half the screen and if it looks nice, sure go for it. If you can’t do that, leave it out). But I think there is definitely a place for romaji. I understand the arguments against including it, some people find it distracting, others just don’t feel it belongs in an English-only release. However, I prefer it when romaji is included, partly because I like to follow along with the karaoke and partly because I feel it allows for additional expression on behalf of the kfx artist.

I’m biased as someone learning japanese and as someone who really enjoys k-timing (and some kfx), but I just really enjoy having the romaji and a nice effect (as long as it’s not detracting from the experience)

I’m right with you, simple is best. But too simple is also often rather boring, especially when the OP/ED in question has interesting visuals itself, so I think it’s a balancing game of making it match the OP/ED in question without also distracting heavily from it (which is where a lot of older styling fail imo. People thought the new hip AFX fx were cool and abused them).

Koimonogatari from Second Season from Commie is a great example of this. I thought it was insane how creative it was back when I watched it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLlytsgLcr4&ab_channel=shirumero

*appreciation

Hope you finish this project so I can finally watch this.